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RoboNate · 09-18-2008, 07:58 PM

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Thats right you too Jonny B

Alaskans Speak (In A Frightened Whisper): Palin Is “Racist, Sexist, Vindictive, And Mean.” | The LA Progressive

eastflatknick · 09-18-2008, 11:38 PM

I can't even read anymore about McCain/Palin...there is just so much shit that should disqualify them...and yet, the Dems can easily lose another one...sometimes, the state of the country makes me sick...you can't get too wrapped up in what other people do/how they vote...just control what you can...most people aren't interested in educating themselves about the issues, and they are going to vote on whatever they feel like.

btw, I am not referring to this article...it's all anonymous sources and looks like fox news for the liberal set....I'm a liberal, but this is poor journalism.

everyone should check out www.talkingpointsmemo.com that's good reporting right there...subscribe it to your google reader, because the page is kinda ugly

Jonny B · 09-20-2008, 09:50 AM

So you finally found one of the 20% in Alaska who hates her, huh. Real Smoking gun there. History proves that McCain/Palin will be better for America, because they are right on things more often. I am not a republican. I am Independant. If you listen to Mrs. Rothschild on CNN the other day, she, Hillary's largest fund raiser and lifelong Democrat, agrees with me on these points, so don't assume that I am just being defensive.
1. America needs a bipartisan, centrist president who isn't afraid to work with people from the other side of the aisle to get things done for the American people. The biggest problem is Washington is bitter team players who put their party before what is best for America. John McCain has historically and often worked with guys like Leiberman, Kennedy and Feingold, some of the most liberal voters in DC to get things done on important issues like Campaign finance, Immigration and Education. Barak worked with ONE republican ONE time in a STATE issue. Granted, with five years of political experience, he makes Joe Biden look like a conservative, because in 35 years, he has NEVER worked with ONE republican on ANYTHING. John McCain voted with the Democrats 10 percent of the time in eight years. That is more than Barak or Biden combined in two years. Facts are facts. McCain is what we need.
2. John McCain has been right, while Barak hasn't known which end is up on several issues. Georgia, McCain nailed it right away. Barak wanted to let the UN handle it, until someone told him that Russia has veto power in the UN, so that wouldn't work. In the end, Barak ended up taking McCain's position about a week later. I think Barak is a nice guy, but he simply isn't ready for this office. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In 2005, John McCain cosponsored a bill that would have prevented all of this from happening. I have read the bill. The partisan Democrats and Republicans killed the bill in committee. In the meantime, Barak Obama's campaign lines their pockets with donations from Fannie and Freddie, while Barak hires one former head of F&F to be a campaign cheif and the other head as a financial advisor. F&F were playing politicians off to keep regulators away, while McCain took the least funds of anyone, and tried to hold them accountable. Advantage McCain. He was right again.
3. Iraq. If you look, McCain was NOT strongly for invading Iraq, but once we did, he was loudly against the sissy approach that Bush took. He knew that the only way to win this was with more troops, and he basically got Rumsfeld and others fired and pressured Bush to put Petraus in charge and masterminded the surge. Well, we now have more violent deaths in NYC than Baghdad in a typical month. Barak opposed the surge and wanted to conceed the war and give Iraq up to Al Sadr, another Osama Bin Laden type leader. The surge has worked, even by Barak's own admission. McCain was right and Barak was wrong.
This election comes down to four issues for me. 1. National Security, 2. Ecomony, 3. Bipartisan leadership, and 4. The right to life for the unborn. On ever one of these issues, John McCain has proven to be correct, while in contrast, Barak has proven to be incorrect. I believe in Obama. I think he is a nice man, an honorable man, and the kind of guy I would hang out with on weekends, but disagree with politically. Nice isn't enough. America needs John McCain right now. That is my humble opinion. Hate me if you want to, love me if you can. We are a country in crisis, right now, and we all need one another as Americans, and not as Democrats or Republicans. God Bless.

fyodor · 09-21-2008, 03:11 AM

dude..i normally giggle at how preposterous your trade proposals are - but this post is the most far-fetched thing youve ever posted..if i thought you were serious i wouldnt even know where to start..

Jonny B · 09-21-2008, 01:09 PM

Name ONE fact that I missed on. Go ahead. Hype and media orgasm aside, hair splitting aside, tell me one factual error.

eastflatknick · 09-21-2008, 02:22 PM

What exactly was McCain right about with Georgia? Giving them Nato membership? Escalating another war?

As for the Freddie Fannie spin, you do realize that anyone is alowed to give a donation right? That spiel about him lining his pockets is bull. EMPLOYEES of those companies donated to him...by the same token, most people that donate to campaigns work somewhere...but like you just did, you pretend it was like a "corporate" donation, which isn't even allowed. That's like saying MetLife is giving Barack tons of cash, because I myself sent him some money.

Iraq should have never happened. Forget the surge, we shouldn't be there. It was based on faulty intelligence. If anything, Barack's position on focusing on Afghanistan and going into Pakistan (btw, which Bush ended up doing, and catching a top Al Qaeda operative) are positions they followed Barack on...same with the "time horizon" ( read: "withdrawL).

Also, barack is naieve for wanting to talk with iran...did you miss Bush sending diplomacy teams there?

Based on the issues that are important to you, and your interpretation, McCain is the right guy for you...and that's great, but your "facts" are far from objective.

People want to pump experience, but in all honesty, McCain has had so many seriously disqualifying displays of understanding of any issue. He doesn't even know who we are fighting...he thinks its funny to sing "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb iran"
He won't admit he doesn't know who the prime minister of Spain is, and that he is a Nato ally, or that he misunderstood the question, he openly lies about a million different policy positions (tax cuts, sex education, earmark reform)...

It's not about objectivity.

Jonny B · 09-21-2008, 09:16 PM

I never said that he shouldn't negotiate with a terrorist with Hitler like ideals, so you are responding to someone else on that one. As for the donations, He, Biden, Frank and Dodd were all big recipients of donations from the bigs at Fannie and Freddie, but it doesn't stop there. You failed to address the fact that two high ranking economic advisers were former presidents of Fannie and Freddie. Ouch. And I am supposed to think that these Bozzos who screwed up the housing market are going to give him great economic advice? Really? Was Iraq faulty info? Are you sure? Several of Saddams former advisers have confessed that WMD was stashed in Syria before the invasion. Putting that aside, that was Bush and a Bipartisan senate who voted with the same intel to go in (including Biden). Obama didn't, but that doesn't make him right. He wanted to bring our boys home in defeat, while McCain came up with a solution that worked. What do you think about that? What was Barak's position on Georgia in the end? Same as McCains, but a week late, so you knocked McCain on that one, but you also knocked Obama on it, so "offsetting penalties". lol..., He hasn't to my knowledge, lied about sex ed, tax cuts, or earmark reform. He has been the #1 defender against earmarks, while Obama gets them for Jeremiah "Goddamn America" Wright. (1.4 million to be exact). Look, at the end of the day, you will be disappointed, because McCain wins this one in a landslide. Thanks for the discussion though. Don't you wish all Washington could disagree and be nice about it like we are? LOL!!!!!

eastflatknick · 09-21-2008, 10:53 PM

Again, not to your knowledge? So you don't watch TV? You don't watch McCain ads? And your "bring our boys home in defeat" that's your perspective.

McCain has a great chance of winning, so I won't be disappointed, except that the idea that any republican would win is patently ridiculous given our current position.But if you want to really talk economic policy, find out who Phil Gramm is first, and then talk to me about regulation...or look up who the Keating Five are...

The Iraq thing you just said sounds like a faulty rumor. At the end of the day, the rationale we got was WMDs, and unless you found them and moved them yourself, they aren't there.

Earmark reform, John McCain? Because he says so right? If you really care about objectivity, look into this kind of stuff instead of dismissing it out of hand. But his running mate, gets more per person than anyone? For unbuilt bridges and crab mating habits.

Yes, Goddamn America Wright, is so horrible. But John Hagee is not.

2000 McCain is a great guy, but let's not pretend he's still in there somewhere...hey, but you have your opinions about how things are, and McCain's positions, that's cool. I disagree, that's cool too. I can see why you are voting McCain based on what is important to you, but you don't have an objective argument...unless things are just going so great now that you think we should continue on this path (and know that's not a liberal talking point, I don't understand how McCain expects to disassociate himself with all that's happened).

Enjoy losing money on your money market funds for the first time in like 15 years though...and digging the deficit deeper with tax cuts that McCain opposed, then supported to pander to the right. (Hope you make over 250K too, that may be the only benefit you get from McCain).

RoboNate · 09-22-2008, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny B

Name ONE fact that I missed on. Go ahead. Hype and media orgasm aside, hair splitting aside, tell me one factual error.

who did you vote for in 2004? i'll explain the relevance once you answer the question.

RoboNate · 09-22-2008, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny B

I never said that he shouldn't negotiate with a terrorist with Hitler like ideals, so you are responding to someone else on that one. As for the donations, He, Biden, Frank and Dodd were all big recipients of donations from the bigs at Fannie and Freddie, but it doesn't stop there. You failed to address the fact that two high ranking economic advisers were former presidents of Fannie and Freddie. Ouch. And I am supposed to think that these Bozzos who screwed up the housing market are going to give him great economic advice? Really? Was Iraq faulty info? Are you sure? Several of Saddams former advisers have confessed that WMD was stashed in Syria before the invasion. Putting that aside, that was Bush and a Bipartisan senate who voted with the same intel to go in (including Biden). Obama didn't, but that doesn't make him right. He wanted to bring our boys home in defeat, while McCain came up with a solution that worked. What do you think about that? What was Barak's position on Georgia in the end? Same as McCains, but a week late, so you knocked McCain on that one, but you also knocked Obama on it, so "offsetting penalties". lol..., He hasn't to my knowledge, lied about sex ed, tax cuts, or earmark reform. He has been the #1 defender against earmarks, while Obama gets them for Jeremiah "Goddamn America" Wright. (1.4 million to be exact). Look, at the end of the day, you will be disappointed, because McCain wins this one in a landslide. Thanks for the discussion though. Don't you wish all Washington could disagree and be nice about it like we are? LOL!!!!!

A professor at Emory University was on FOX News yesterday. He has correctly predicted presidents for the last 20 years using his mathematical model. He predicts Obama 54% popular vote. McCain 46%. He said that he also did predict Al Gore to win the popular vote, but when the difference between popular vote is very low (1 to 2%), the person with the lower popular vote can still win the majority electoral vote.

We are spending 10 billion dollars a month in Iraq. 10 billion dollars????????
And how long have we been there now? If we had spent that money right here in this country on renewable energy sources, this wouldn't even be a debate. We would have had all the energy we need.

And just FYI...
This goes to show how "ready" Palin is to be president in case something happens to McCain.

Biden has been interviewed like 35 times already for his views on several issues.
Palin........2 times.

She's supposed to be VP and she can't even handle the media? Would you want your daughter to have a baby that she conceived from her 2nd cousin.....by rape, of course, not consensual sex. If you answered yes to that question, you and Palin are in the same boat.

This is how smart Palin really is. She had to go to 5 different colleges, to get a friggin journalism degree. A journalism degree???????????? 5 different colleges? LOL hell I could have done that through some Phoenix online BS university.

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09-18-2008, 11:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
eastflatknick Administrator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,690	I can't even read anymore about McCain/Palin...there is just so much shit that should disqualify them...and yet, the Dems can easily lose another one...sometimes, the state of the country makes me sick...you can't get too wrapped up in what other people do/how they vote...just control what you can...most people aren't interested in educating themselves about the issues, and they are going to vote on whatever they feel like. btw, I am not referring to this article...it's all anonymous sources and looks like fox news for the liberal set....I'm a liberal, but this is poor journalism. everyone should check out www.talkingpointsmemo.com that's good reporting right there...subscribe it to your google reader, because the page is kinda ugly

09-20-2008, 09:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jonny B Superstar Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,943	So you finally found one of the 20% in Alaska who hates her, huh. Real Smoking gun there. History proves that McCain/Palin will be better for America, because they are right on things more often. I am not a republican. I am Independant. If you listen to Mrs. Rothschild on CNN the other day, she, Hillary's largest fund raiser and lifelong Democrat, agrees with me on these points, so don't assume that I am just being defensive. 1. America needs a bipartisan, centrist president who isn't afraid to work with people from the other side of the aisle to get things done for the American people. The biggest problem is Washington is bitter team players who put their party before what is best for America. John McCain has historically and often worked with guys like Leiberman, Kennedy and Feingold, some of the most liberal voters in DC to get things done on important issues like Campaign finance, Immigration and Education. Barak worked with ONE republican ONE time in a STATE issue. Granted, with five years of political experience, he makes Joe Biden look like a conservative, because in 35 years, he has NEVER worked with ONE republican on ANYTHING. John McCain voted with the Democrats 10 percent of the time in eight years. That is more than Barak or Biden combined in two years. Facts are facts. McCain is what we need. 2. John McCain has been right, while Barak hasn't known which end is up on several issues. Georgia, McCain nailed it right away. Barak wanted to let the UN handle it, until someone told him that Russia has veto power in the UN, so that wouldn't work. In the end, Barak ended up taking McCain's position about a week later. I think Barak is a nice guy, but he simply isn't ready for this office. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In 2005, John McCain cosponsored a bill that would have prevented all of this from happening. I have read the bill. The partisan Democrats and Republicans killed the bill in committee. In the meantime, Barak Obama's campaign lines their pockets with donations from Fannie and Freddie, while Barak hires one former head of F&F to be a campaign cheif and the other head as a financial advisor. F&F were playing politicians off to keep regulators away, while McCain took the least funds of anyone, and tried to hold them accountable. Advantage McCain. He was right again. 3. Iraq. If you look, McCain was NOT strongly for invading Iraq, but once we did, he was loudly against the sissy approach that Bush took. He knew that the only way to win this was with more troops, and he basically got Rumsfeld and others fired and pressured Bush to put Petraus in charge and masterminded the surge. Well, we now have more violent deaths in NYC than Baghdad in a typical month. Barak opposed the surge and wanted to conceed the war and give Iraq up to Al Sadr, another Osama Bin Laden type leader. The surge has worked, even by Barak's own admission. McCain was right and Barak was wrong. This election comes down to four issues for me. 1. National Security, 2. Ecomony, 3. Bipartisan leadership, and 4. The right to life for the unborn. On ever one of these issues, John McCain has proven to be correct, while in contrast, Barak has proven to be incorrect. I believe in Obama. I think he is a nice man, an honorable man, and the kind of guy I would hang out with on weekends, but disagree with politically. Nice isn't enough. America needs John McCain right now. That is my humble opinion. Hate me if you want to, love me if you can. We are a country in crisis, right now, and we all need one another as Americans, and not as Democrats or Republicans. God Bless.

09-21-2008, 03:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
fyodor Superstar Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,359	dude..i normally giggle at how preposterous your trade proposals are - but this post is the most far-fetched thing youve ever posted..if i thought you were serious i wouldnt even know where to start..

09-21-2008, 01:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jonny B Superstar Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,943	Name ONE fact that I missed on. Go ahead. Hype and media orgasm aside, hair splitting aside, tell me one factual error.

09-21-2008, 02:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
eastflatknick Administrator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,690	What exactly was McCain right about with Georgia? Giving them Nato membership? Escalating another war? As for the Freddie Fannie spin, you do realize that anyone is alowed to give a donation right? That spiel about him lining his pockets is bull. EMPLOYEES of those companies donated to him...by the same token, most people that donate to campaigns work somewhere...but like you just did, you pretend it was like a "corporate" donation, which isn't even allowed. That's like saying MetLife is giving Barack tons of cash, because I myself sent him some money. Iraq should have never happened. Forget the surge, we shouldn't be there. It was based on faulty intelligence. If anything, Barack's position on focusing on Afghanistan and going into Pakistan (btw, which Bush ended up doing, and catching a top Al Qaeda operative) are positions they followed Barack on...same with the "time horizon" ( read: "withdrawL). Also, barack is naieve for wanting to talk with iran...did you miss Bush sending diplomacy teams there? Based on the issues that are important to you, and your interpretation, McCain is the right guy for you...and that's great, but your "facts" are far from objective. People want to pump experience, but in all honesty, McCain has had so many seriously disqualifying displays of understanding of any issue. He doesn't even know who we are fighting...he thinks its funny to sing "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb iran" He won't admit he doesn't know who the prime minister of Spain is, and that he is a Nato ally, or that he misunderstood the question, he openly lies about a million different policy positions (tax cuts, sex education, earmark reform)... It's not about objectivity.

09-21-2008, 09:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jonny B Superstar Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,943	I never said that he shouldn't negotiate with a terrorist with Hitler like ideals, so you are responding to someone else on that one. As for the donations, He, Biden, Frank and Dodd were all big recipients of donations from the bigs at Fannie and Freddie, but it doesn't stop there. You failed to address the fact that two high ranking economic advisers were former presidents of Fannie and Freddie. Ouch. And I am supposed to think that these Bozzos who screwed up the housing market are going to give him great economic advice? Really? Was Iraq faulty info? Are you sure? Several of Saddams former advisers have confessed that WMD was stashed in Syria before the invasion. Putting that aside, that was Bush and a Bipartisan senate who voted with the same intel to go in (including Biden). Obama didn't, but that doesn't make him right. He wanted to bring our boys home in defeat, while McCain came up with a solution that worked. What do you think about that? What was Barak's position on Georgia in the end? Same as McCains, but a week late, so you knocked McCain on that one, but you also knocked Obama on it, so "offsetting penalties". lol..., He hasn't to my knowledge, lied about sex ed, tax cuts, or earmark reform. He has been the #1 defender against earmarks, while Obama gets them for Jeremiah "Goddamn America" Wright. (1.4 million to be exact). Look, at the end of the day, you will be disappointed, because McCain wins this one in a landslide. Thanks for the discussion though. Don't you wish all Washington could disagree and be nice about it like we are? LOL!!!!!

09-21-2008, 10:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
eastflatknick Administrator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,690	Again, not to your knowledge? So you don't watch TV? You don't watch McCain ads? And your "bring our boys home in defeat" that's your perspective. McCain has a great chance of winning, so I won't be disappointed, except that the idea that any republican would win is patently ridiculous given our current position.But if you want to really talk economic policy, find out who Phil Gramm is first, and then talk to me about regulation...or look up who the Keating Five are... The Iraq thing you just said sounds like a faulty rumor. At the end of the day, the rationale we got was WMDs, and unless you found them and moved them yourself, they aren't there. Earmark reform, John McCain? Because he says so right? If you really care about objectivity, look into this kind of stuff instead of dismissing it out of hand. But his running mate, gets more per person than anyone? For unbuilt bridges and crab mating habits. Yes, Goddamn America Wright, is so horrible. But John Hagee is not. 2000 McCain is a great guy, but let's not pretend he's still in there somewhere...hey, but you have your opinions about how things are, and McCain's positions, that's cool. I disagree, that's cool too. I can see why you are voting McCain based on what is important to you, but you don't have an objective argument...unless things are just going so great now that you think we should continue on this path (and know that's not a liberal talking point, I don't understand how McCain expects to disassociate himself with all that's happened). Enjoy losing money on your money market funds for the first time in like 15 years though...and digging the deficit deeper with tax cuts that McCain opposed, then supported to pander to the right. (Hope you make over 250K too, that may be the only benefit you get from McCain).

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