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tylerdurden · 10-10-2008, 10:43 AM

For arguments sake let's say that Lee and Randolph develop great chemistry put up really strong numbers like (Lee 15 and 8) (Randolph 20 and 10) and the Knicks record has been steadily improving to around .500. Now fast forward a bit to 2010 and Lebron has officially hit the open market isn't the whole draw of him leaving Clev is to win a title now why would he goto a dismantled Knicks team that has traded their first or second best player? If D'Antoni and Walsh's objective if Lebron is number 1 is to lure him to an already established team that is just on the brink of going to the next level. And how people propose the Knicks do that while unloading their best players because rest assure whether it's Randolph or whomever a top talent player is going to be major money.

Jonny B · 10-10-2008, 02:20 PM

So you think that Zach for Camby and a pick is a bad deal for LA? Are you serious? Camby is done after this year, and he doesn't even want to be there. It's a steal for LA to get a young stud for an aging veteran and a pick. Sounds real to me.

Boogie Man · 10-10-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonny B

So you think that Zach for Camby and a pick is a bad deal for LA? Are you serious? Camby is done after this year, and he doesn't even want to be there. It's a steal for LA to get a young stud for an aging veteran and a pick. Sounds real to me.

Good trade for them, but stupid for us! Like playa said we really need a Dalembert, but not a chance Philly is letting him go, not with Brand there who is the same type as Zbo. I like Kaman or some other 7' running shotblocking Center who can score if left open.

Any ideas?

tylerdurden · 10-10-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonny B

So you think that Zach for Camby and a pick is a bad deal for LA? Are you serious? Camby is done after this year, and he doesn't even want to be there. It's a steal for LA to get a young stud for an aging veteran and a pick. Sounds real to me.

Johnny,

I'm talking about reality and not your fantasy world where other GMs even remotely consider the nonsensical deals that you propose. Thats first secondly Camby is a lot and injury prone (which we all saw first hand) so I don't see him be aparting of any team's long-terms plans (if we're talking about 2010) in a serious way. Camby will be 36 by the time 2010 roles around. If you were talking about this year and all we needed just a guy to plug up the middle then I would be all for a Camby trade but for a long-term project were is your head?

Now if this was about Chris Kaman then I could be down for that because he definitely fills a void.

nycballer · 10-10-2008, 04:24 PM

Please no Camby. Fragile and old. Lets wait for the waiver wire where i'm sure some team with a glut of young centers (shot blocking) will unload them (Nets?).

Jonny B · 10-10-2008, 04:25 PM

That is why I said that NY would send Zach for Camby and a pick. NY gets out from under the contract of Zbo and still has a talent in the middle for one year. NY also gets a pick to build with. LA gets the stud PF that I think they wanted this summer. It's a salary dump with a draft pick to sweeten it up. The fact is that Zach stands in the way of NY getting LeBron. Last summer, we couldn't give him away. If he builds his value, Donnie will deal him fast for a young player or a draft pick and cap room. It's not as far fetched as you seem to think. We'll see when Zach gets dealt, because its going to happen.

nycballer · 10-10-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonny B

That is why I said that NY would send Zach for Camby and a pick. NY gets out from under the contract of Zbo and still has a talent in the middle for one year. NY also gets a pick to build with. LA gets the stud PF that I think they wanted this summer. It's a salary dump with a draft pick to sweeten it up. The fact is that Zach stands in the way of NY getting LeBron. Last summer, we couldn't give him away. If he builds his value, Donnie will deal him fast for a young player or a draft pick and cap room. It's not as far fetched as you seem to think. We'll see when Zach gets dealt, because its going to happen.

Well..if you say there's a draft pick involved (and assuming it all works under trade rules)...that would change things. If it's a 1st rounder then definitely but I would not re-up Camby. Just let him expire.

Lebron is fools gold. We just should build as if he wasn't coming but being sensitive to the cap so as to go after other potential FA.

nightwingv1 · 10-10-2008, 08:20 PM

if all fails, call the lakers for a lamar odom deal to clear cap.

PLAYA 2U · 10-11-2008, 11:17 AM

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Lebron is fools gold. We just should build as if he wasn't coming but being sensitive to the cap so as to go after other potential FA.

I agree 100% nycballer, Lebron hasn't won anything yet and his team was embarrassed in the finals and looked like they didn't even belong.

Jonny B · 10-11-2008, 11:31 AM

Oh man. Listen to you guys. Jordan hadn't won anything until he was in the league for six or seven years. LBJ is the 2nd best player on the planet, maybe the best. He is 24 years old and just coming into his prime years. The chance to get a guy like him at this point in his career comes along once in a lifetime. Donnie knows he owes the organization to put them in the position to have a shot at getting him, and he will do that. He is going to let Zach, Crawford, Jeffries and Curry play their trade value up so he can get a mix of expiring contracts and young talent in return and bring LBJ to NY. Then, he will add veteran talent via trade and free agency to build around him. If we are able to get rid of Crawford, Curry, Jeffries and ZBo early, we will be able to bring LBJ here and two mid level players (Odom? Nash?) to win a title. Nash will come to NY for much less to win. It will be the only thing left in his hall of fame career. Nash doesn't beat you with his speed, he beats you with his brains. NY will resign Nate and Lee to long term deals that are backloaded so we still have cap room in 2010 and 2011. Remember that in NYC, you make more in endorsements, especially when you win. Imagine a team of Nash, LBJ, Chandler, Odom and Lee with Gallo, Nate and a few good draft picks coming off the bench. That is a dynasty. NY needs to not trade picks, use them correctly on talent and foreign players who will play overseas for a few more years, etc to keep their talent pool deep. Get the cap down and put a team on the floor that will make veterans willing to play for less to play for NYK.

10-10-2008, 10:43 AM	#11 (permalink)
tylerdurden Superstar Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,012	For arguments sake let's say that Lee and Randolph develop great chemistry put up really strong numbers like (Lee 15 and 8) (Randolph 20 and 10) and the Knicks record has been steadily improving to around .500. Now fast forward a bit to 2010 and Lebron has officially hit the open market isn't the whole draw of him leaving Clev is to win a title now why would he goto a dismantled Knicks team that has traded their first or second best player? If D'Antoni and Walsh's objective if Lebron is number 1 is to lure him to an already established team that is just on the brink of going to the next level. And how people propose the Knicks do that while unloading their best players because rest assure whether it's Randolph or whomever a top talent player is going to be major money. __________________ "In the face of impossible odds, people who love their country can change it." Barack Obama

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nightwingv1 Superstar Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,229	if all fails, call the lakers for a lamar odom deal to clear cap. __________________

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10-10-2008, 02:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jonny B Superstar Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,945	So you think that Zach for Camby and a pick is a bad deal for LA? Are you serious? Camby is done after this year, and he doesn't even want to be there. It's a steal for LA to get a young stud for an aging veteran and a pick. Sounds real to me.

10-10-2008, 04:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
nycballer Superstar Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,275	Please no Camby. Fragile and old. Lets wait for the waiver wire where i'm sure some team with a glut of young centers (shot blocking) will unload them (Nets?).

10-10-2008, 04:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
Jonny B Superstar Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,945	That is why I said that NY would send Zach for Camby and a pick. NY gets out from under the contract of Zbo and still has a talent in the middle for one year. NY also gets a pick to build with. LA gets the stud PF that I think they wanted this summer. It's a salary dump with a draft pick to sweeten it up. The fact is that Zach stands in the way of NY getting LeBron. Last summer, we couldn't give him away. If he builds his value, Donnie will deal him fast for a young player or a draft pick and cap room. It's not as far fetched as you seem to think. We'll see when Zach gets dealt, because its going to happen.

10-11-2008, 11:31 AM	#20 (permalink)
Jonny B Superstar Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,945	Oh man. Listen to you guys. Jordan hadn't won anything until he was in the league for six or seven years. LBJ is the 2nd best player on the planet, maybe the best. He is 24 years old and just coming into his prime years. The chance to get a guy like him at this point in his career comes along once in a lifetime. Donnie knows he owes the organization to put them in the position to have a shot at getting him, and he will do that. He is going to let Zach, Crawford, Jeffries and Curry play their trade value up so he can get a mix of expiring contracts and young talent in return and bring LBJ to NY. Then, he will add veteran talent via trade and free agency to build around him. If we are able to get rid of Crawford, Curry, Jeffries and ZBo early, we will be able to bring LBJ here and two mid level players (Odom? Nash?) to win a title. Nash will come to NY for much less to win. It will be the only thing left in his hall of fame career. Nash doesn't beat you with his speed, he beats you with his brains. NY will resign Nate and Lee to long term deals that are backloaded so we still have cap room in 2010 and 2011. Remember that in NYC, you make more in endorsements, especially when you win. Imagine a team of Nash, LBJ, Chandler, Odom and Lee with Gallo, Nate and a few good draft picks coming off the bench. That is a dynasty. NY needs to not trade picks, use them correctly on talent and foreign players who will play overseas for a few more years, etc to keep their talent pool deep. Get the cap down and put a team on the floor that will make veterans willing to play for less to play for NYK.

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