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aveboogie7 · 10-09-2006, 08:11 PM

I definetly see where Rhoden is coming from with this book althought I can see where the use of the word slavery may have been a poor choice. To be candid, I'd dare to say Rhoden used the words "Slave" and "Slavery" in a metaphorical sense. Then again, Slavery can be defined as loosely as a state of subjucation or under total control by a master in which case, any uproar is unfounded.

Again, without having read the book, it's difficult to understaind Rhoden's aim, but to chastise him for perhaps his insensitivity to plights of others currently or formerly enslaved world is rediculous.

Nice find playa....

Jonny B · 10-09-2006, 08:59 PM

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Don't fret he won't read the book either that would require an ability to stay focused on one task for more than 5 minutes that isn't video games, tv, or a computer.
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Yeah, that's me. I'm stupid. I just sit around, play video games and watch TV all day. Man, you should just shut up. You don't know me at all, and your statement about me was completely ignorant and catagorically untrue. Debate what I said, not my character, of which you know nothing about.
Nobody gave me my breaks. I worked hard all through high school and got a leadership scholarship to a small private college. I worked 30 hours per week in college and was a student body vice president and graduated in the Who's Who, my senior year. After that, I went out and raised $4,000 per month in charitable support and moved overseas to Eastern Europe just after the wall fell. There, I studied the Czech language (one of the hardest for an American to learn) and was relatively fluent within two years. I then raised $120,000 cash and bought a former communist youth camp and paid for it cash. I trained a national staff and raised the funds for their salaries and within four years, I had a staff of 19 and the largest youth camp in the Czech or Slovak Republics. After that, I moved back to the USA to take care of my kids educational needs. I started my career all over again, and took a job in banking that I hated. By my 3rd month, I was the top performing sales rep in a major fortune 500 company. After two more years as the top sales rep nearly every month, I was able to prove to a Fortune 100 company that I could sell ice cubes to eskimos and got a major opportunity as a sales professional.
I am not telling you this to say how great I am. I am trying to make two points. 1. Nobody gave me anything. I had to go out and earn it. I had to convince people all along the way that I was worthy of their trust and that my projects were worth their investments. 2. I am not ignorant by any means. I may not be Einstein, but my attention span is quite a bit longer than 5 minutes (ever try to read a New England Journal of Medicine???), and my reading goes a little farther than the internet and comic books.

starbury#1pg · 10-09-2006, 09:09 PM

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I definetly see where Rhoden is coming from with this book althought I can see where the use of the word slavery may have been a poor choice. To be candid, I'd dare to say Rhoden used the words "Slave" and "Slavery" in a metaphorical sense. Then again, Slavery can be defined as loosely as a state of subjucation or under total control by a master in which case, any uproar is unfounded.

Again, without having read the book, it's difficult to understaind Rhoden's aim, but to chastise him for perhaps his insensitivity to plights of others currently or formerly enslaved world is rediculous.

Nice find playa....
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leave it up too wildcat to make it personal. anyway i agree with you ave. i thikn the title is throwing people off. there is a meaning behind the title but as soon as people read the title. they go crazy. he is one of my favorites on espn on sundays and i will try to check out his book if i get the chance.

brianfast · 10-09-2006, 10:30 PM

Slaves making millions of dollars a year. Right.

RoboNate · 10-09-2006, 10:58 PM

Guys guys..... calm down. This is not really about slavery or any of its metaphors. Slavery is a very sensitive topic in America, for valid reasons. So some slick out there thinks....hey lemme just start claiming shit like today's athletes are nothing but rich slaves and since most of them are black, it'll get a lot of play. I can write all kinds of shit and complete chapters without even thinking of a single idea. All I need to do is a little research on pro sports and I'll make a killing selling this book.

IF I WAS REALLY THAT INTERESTED IN THE EDUCATION OF PEOPLE OUT THERE ABOUT MODERN DAY SLAVERY........I'D BE SELLING IT FOR LESS THAN 5 BUCKS OR FOR FREE.

It's not about educating the public.....its about making the moolah off the royalty. Let him come out and say that he's not getting a single penny of royalty off this book. Then maybe I'll believe him.

eastflatknick · 10-09-2006, 11:22 PM

Jonny, I will just say that Wildcat was not talking about you, but probably about Starbury...but I will also say I am glad that you posted what you did because the issue is perfectly clear, WHY WASTE TIME OR ENERGY POSTING ABOUT THE POSTER? YOU DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER SO WHY DO YOU CARE TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THEM?

Jonny B · 10-10-2006, 07:13 AM

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Jonny, I will just say that Wildcat was not talking about you, but probably about Starbury...but I will also say I am glad that you posted what you did because the issue is perfectly clear, WHY WASTE TIME OR ENERGY POSTING ABOUT THE POSTER? YOU DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER SO WHY DO YOU CARE TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THEM?
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Thank you.

keylan · 10-10-2006, 08:37 AM

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Yeah, that's me. I'm stupid. I just sit around, play video games and watch TV all day. Man, you should just shut up. You don't know me at all, and your statement about me was completely ignorant and catagorically untrue. Debate what I said, not my character, of which you know nothing about. [/b]

Johnny

You wrote this whole scathing response to my comment and I can understand why you thought I was referring to you because I quoted you. But I was really referring to Star. I don't even acknowledge this book as somehow relevant. Its some attempt to sell books pure and simple. The author uses this incendiary device of putting the word "slavery" in bold face letters so it will evoke some sort of emotional response on either side. Anyone who would even think of using the term slavery in association with professional athletes is completely out of of touch with history and the current state of PLANET EARTH! Its just a shame that some actually buy into this absurdity.

PLAYA 2U · 10-10-2006, 11:24 AM

Starbury and Aveboogie seems to be the only ones who gets it.

The title got most of you at hello.

The intent of the book (for example)is how in a third world country they teach you how to grow and cultivate sugarcane, but they never allow you to learn how to make sugar.

Many atheletes were not allowedto benefit from or participate in the ownership revolution because they were subjugated and only being used to fuel that particular economic base.

Some here are so shallow at times(not deep thinkers), the responses shows me this article wasn't for this crowd here.

The title William Rhoden used was to get your interest up not a factual statement, but the content is a learning tool for those who don't understand how our financial structural bias in this country against minorities of COLOR not Euro's when it comes to OWNERSHIP.

fyodor · 10-10-2006, 11:39 AM

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Starbury and Aveboogie seems to be the only ones who gets it.

The title got most of you at hello.

The intent of the book (for example)is how in a third world country they teach you how to grow and cultivate sugarcane, but they never allow you to learn how to make sugar.

Many atheletes were not allowedto benefit from or participate in the ownership revolution because they were subjugated and only being used to fuel that particular economic base.

Some here are so shallow at times(not deep thinkers), the responses shows me this article wasn't for this crowd here.

The title William Rhoden used was to get your interest up not a factual statement, but the content is a learning tool for those who don't understand how our financial structural bias in this country against minorities of COLOR not Euro's when it comes to OWNERSHIP.
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so now that there is a black owner in chicago and the grizz are selling majority interest to a black-led group are they going to continue their shameful shock-jock techniques which betrays the memory of every slave throughout history?

10-09-2006, 08:11 PM	#21 (permalink)
aveboogie7 Sixth Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 141	I definetly see where Rhoden is coming from with this book althought I can see where the use of the word slavery may have been a poor choice. To be candid, I'd dare to say Rhoden used the words "Slave" and "Slavery" in a metaphorical sense. Then again, Slavery can be defined as loosely as a state of subjucation or under total control by a master in which case, any uproar is unfounded. Again, without having read the book, it's difficult to understaind Rhoden's aim, but to chastise him for perhaps his insensitivity to plights of others currently or formerly enslaved world is rediculous. Nice find playa.... __________________ If you've come here as fans of the team, well most of us anyway, why allow eternal pessimists to ruin that for you? Inevitably, you will run into those who pass along their 'commentary' when it fits their agenda...when things are going well, particularly for those whom they don't favor, they're quiet, but can't wait to pop up and spout off their ramblings from afar when things go south. The internet is the great equalizer where even the meekest of us all can raise our voices and be heard.

10-09-2006, 10:58 PM	#25 (permalink)
RoboNate Hall of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7,764	Guys guys..... calm down. This is not really about slavery or any of its metaphors. Slavery is a very sensitive topic in America, for valid reasons. So some slick out there thinks....hey lemme just start claiming shit like today's athletes are nothing but rich slaves and since most of them are black, it'll get a lot of play. I can write all kinds of shit and complete chapters without even thinking of a single idea. All I need to do is a little research on pro sports and I'll make a killing selling this book. IF I WAS REALLY THAT INTERESTED IN THE EDUCATION OF PEOPLE OUT THERE ABOUT MODERN DAY SLAVERY........I'D BE SELLING IT FOR LESS THAN 5 BUCKS OR FOR FREE. It's not about educating the public.....its about making the moolah off the royalty. Let him come out and say that he's not getting a single penny of royalty off this book. Then maybe I'll believe him. __________________ “He’s scary athletic,” D’Antoni said of Robinson. “Wherever I put him, whatever team I put him on, was the team that was winning.”

10-10-2006, 11:24 AM	#29 (permalink)
PLAYA 2U Hall of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,697	Starbury and Aveboogie seems to be the only ones who gets it. The title got most of you at hello. The intent of the book (for example)is how in a third world country they teach you how to grow and cultivate sugarcane, but they never allow you to learn how to make sugar. Many atheletes were not allowedto benefit from or participate in the ownership revolution because they were subjugated and only being used to fuel that particular economic base. Some here are so shallow at times(not deep thinkers), the responses shows me this article wasn't for this crowd here. The title William Rhoden used was to get your interest up not a factual statement, but the content is a learning tool for those who don't understand how our financial structural bias in this country against minorities of COLOR not Euro's when it comes to OWNERSHIP. __________________ When the head coach has proven that he's only capable of coaching a certain way, with a certain type of players, then the head coach should come after the players.

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10-09-2006, 10:30 PM	#24 (permalink)
brianfast D-League Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1	Slaves making millions of dollars a year. Right.

10-09-2006, 11:22 PM	#26 (permalink)
eastflatknick Administrator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,690	Jonny, I will just say that Wildcat was not talking about you, but probably about Starbury...but I will also say I am glad that you posted what you did because the issue is perfectly clear, WHY WASTE TIME OR ENERGY POSTING ABOUT THE POSTER? YOU DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER SO WHY DO YOU CARE TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THEM?

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